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Why Hunters and the Hunting Industry Should Worry
« on: December 14, 2014, 05:44:29 PM »
something I received by email...

Why Hunters and the Hunting Industry Should Worry
By Ace Luciano

Hunters and the Hunting Industry should be worried…  Really, really worried.

We, as an industry, are in a state of decline that, while there are some things to be excited about, there are many more reasons for concern.

My grandchildren may not hunt.  Not because they won’t desire to or be “against” it (although that is of increasing concern), but because we, as hunters can’t seem to “get our act together” and stop fighting.

Concern Number 1:  HOLLYWOOD AND MONEY

Recently, Leonardo DiCaprio et.al held a fundraiser for endangered tigers.
Nobody argues that tigers are endangered and that there is a need for their preservation. Also, nobody argues that raising money to help save tigers is bad.

What’s concerning is how and how much money was raised.  $25 MILLION in one evening.  That’s right.
More than most groups on the hunting side raise in YEARS. What happens when they decide to go after Elephant Hunting?  Lion?  Mountain Lion?

What happens when they pool their funds to buy huge swaths of land here and abroad, or lobby against hunting?  If you thing the closure of hunting in Botswana and Zambia had nothing to do with money, you need to wake up.  Africa and its various corrupt governments are easily bought for what most would consider paltry sums. Then the government thugs in power have free reign to poach and sell the animals that remain.

They will happily take Leo’s money, and then take the poacher’s money as well… and remember, there has been NO LEGAL TROPHY HUNTING IN KENYA SINCE THE 70′s…

Concern Number 2:  ANTI HUNTER MOBILIZATION

Recently, as part of a little “social experiment,” I published an article with a very “Attention-Drawing” headline: “Hi, My Name is Ace, And I Kill Animals.”

What was the experiment?  I wanted to prove that anti-hunters, while passionate about their cause, would largely ignore me because, after all, I was a white, Christian male that hunted and not a young, attractive female.  While I was 100% correct, there were several things I noticed that are of “concern.” I actually had to go after some of the groups with some “strategic” posts and messages before they “found” me, and find me they did. For the most part, these people are ignorant, rude, crude, vulgar, and quite violent in nature for a group that professes to be so “compassionate” about animals. I was threatened, called vile names (it appears that there is quite a fondness “across the pond” for the pejorative term for female genitalia) and ridiculed on my Facebook page. One said he wanted to “fight me” (a very amusing thought, as it came from a 130 lb. pot and paraphernalia store owner…people- we can see WHO YOU ARE, REMEMBER???)  It was also very good for my post reach and rankings.

However…  The coordination and absolute unification in their message and drive to end all hunting should be of concern.

Concern Number 3: HUNTER VS. HUNTER

It is looking more and more like I will not hunt a lion or elephant in my lifetime. Regardless of what you think, that in and of itself is a disappointment to me.  I was fortunate to sit in on a press meeting that addressed the violent attacks on several outdoor personalities as well as the loss of television show venues and sponsors.  Everything that was said in that meeting was true, and it was appalling at some of the treatment that these people received.

Even more appalling was the LACK OF SUPPORT THEY RECEIVED FROM OUR SIDE.

What do I mean?  Here are some quotes from discussions that I found:

From a waterfowl forum- “I hunt, but I would never shoot a lion or an elephant.  Shame on them for doing that. ”  From Facebook- “I’m a ‘meat hunter’ and believe that you should eat everything that you harvest. People that go to Africa and just kill a bunch of stuff to prove their manhood disgust me.”  “She’s not a ‘Hunter’ anyway- just a spoiled rich girl that daddy sent on some expensive trip.” – From a LinkedIn Group.

This should concern all of us.  You know what? I’m happy that girl’s father is so successful that he can spend $150K on hunting for his daughter. Success should be celebrated, not castigated. Think how many jobs his money provides. Think how many people were FED as a result of that safari! I say GOOD FOR THEM.

…But I am in the minority, and that’s a BIG PROBLEM.  While we fight, argue and spit at one another about baiting, leases, bow vs. gun, trapping, hunting with dogs, hunting in enclosures, trophy vs. meat hunting, television celebrities, women, etc., the “other side” is ABSOLUTELY UNIFIED in their ONE MISSION…

…To STOP ALL HUNTING.
and if you’re NOT worried, you SHOULD be.
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Re: Why Hunters and the Hunting Industry Should Worry
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2014, 05:56:16 PM »
Sadly, this is demonstrated on this site quite a bit lately.




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Re: Why Hunters and the Hunting Industry Should Worry
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2014, 05:56:47 PM »
I hunt, but I don't bait I'd never do that we should outlaw it

I hunt, but I'd never archery hunt it wounds too many animals I'd support a ban on archery

I hunt, but I only shoot animals within 2-300 yards no one should shoot anything further than that

I hunt, but I only use primitive weapons anything modern isn't really hunting


Plenty of what this article refers to right here on HW

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Re: Why Hunters and the Hunting Industry Should Worry
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2014, 06:46:14 PM »
The article is flawed in some aspects.  Anti-hunters are no more organized or cohesive in their efforts than hunters are in stopping them or promoting all aspects of our sport. 

On the last point, I think it is important for hunters to become knowledgeable about aspects of hunting they are not familiar with before making comments out of ignorance.  However, I believe there are tons of issues that hunters need to self-police on...especially when it comes to technology, methods, and techniques.  If the primary justification for maintaining specific technology, methods, or techniques is "hunters shouldn't argue with other hunters"...BAN IT!!  :chuckle:

There are a lot of things to be concerned about when it comes to the future of hunting: Hollywood, Leonardo DiCaprio, and the organizational structure of anti-hunters are not what should keep hunters up at night...access and habitat issues...  :hello:
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Re: Why Hunters and the Hunting Industry Should Worry
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2014, 06:58:38 PM »
Anti gun activists proved to be far more organized than us in the last election. 

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Re: Why Hunters and the Hunting Industry Should Worry
« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2014, 07:00:49 PM »
something I received by email...

Why Hunters and the Hunting Industry Should Worry
By Ace Luciano

Hunters and the Hunting Industry should be worried…  Really, really worried.

We, as an industry, are in a state of decline that, while there are some things to be excited about, there are many more reasons for concern.

My grandchildren may not hunt.  Not because they won’t desire to or be “against” it (although that is of increasing concern), but because we, as hunters can’t seem to “get our act together” and stop fighting.

Concern Number 1:  HOLLYWOOD AND MONEY

Recently, Leonardo DiCaprio et.al held a fundraiser for endangered tigers.
Nobody argues that tigers are endangered and that there is a need for their preservation. Also, nobody argues that raising money to help save tigers is bad.

What’s concerning is how and how much money was raised.  $25 MILLION in one evening.  That’s right.
More than most groups on the hunting side raise in YEARS. What happens when they decide to go after Elephant Hunting?  Lion?  Mountain Lion?

What happens when they pool their funds to buy huge swaths of land here and abroad, or lobby against hunting?  If you thing the closure of hunting in Botswana and Zambia had nothing to do with money, you need to wake up.  Africa and its various corrupt governments are easily bought for what most would consider paltry sums. Then the government thugs in power have free reign to poach and sell the animals that remain.

They will happily take Leo’s money, and then take the poacher’s money as well… and remember, there has been NO LEGAL TROPHY HUNTING IN KENYA SINCE THE 70′s…

Concern Number 2:  ANTI HUNTER MOBILIZATION

Recently, as part of a little “social experiment,” I published an article with a very “Attention-Drawing” headline: “Hi, My Name is Ace, And I Kill Animals.”

What was the experiment?  I wanted to prove that anti-hunters, while passionate about their cause, would largely ignore me because, after all, I was a white, Christian male that hunted and not a young, attractive female.  While I was 100% correct, there were several things I noticed that are of “concern.” I actually had to go after some of the groups with some “strategic” posts and messages before they “found” me, and find me they did. For the most part, these people are ignorant, rude, crude, vulgar, and quite violent in nature for a group that professes to be so “compassionate” about animals. I was threatened, called vile names (it appears that there is quite a fondness “across the pond” for the pejorative term for female genitalia) and ridiculed on my Facebook page. One said he wanted to “fight me” (a very amusing thought, as it came from a 130 lb. pot and paraphernalia store owner…people- we can see WHO YOU ARE, REMEMBER???)  It was also very good for my post reach and rankings.

However…  The coordination and absolute unification in their message and drive to end all hunting should be of concern.

Concern Number 3: HUNTER VS. HUNTER

It is looking more and more like I will not hunt a lion or elephant in my lifetime. Regardless of what you think, that in and of itself is a disappointment to me.  I was fortunate to sit in on a press meeting that addressed the violent attacks on several outdoor personalities as well as the loss of television show venues and sponsors.  Everything that was said in that meeting was true, and it was appalling at some of the treatment that these people received.

Even more appalling was the LACK OF SUPPORT THEY RECEIVED FROM OUR SIDE.

What do I mean?  Here are some quotes from discussions that I found:

From a waterfowl forum- “I hunt, but I would never shoot a lion or an elephant.  Shame on them for doing that. ”  From Facebook- “I’m a ‘meat hunter’ and believe that you should eat everything that you harvest. People that go to Africa and just kill a bunch of stuff to prove their manhood disgust me.”  “She’s not a ‘Hunter’ anyway- just a spoiled rich girl that daddy sent on some expensive trip.” – From a LinkedIn Group.

This should concern all of us.  You know what? I’m happy that girl’s father is so successful that he can spend $150K on hunting for his daughter. Success should be celebrated, not castigated. Think how many jobs his money provides. Think how many people were FED as a result of that safari! I say GOOD FOR THEM.

…But I am in the minority, and that’s a BIG PROBLEM.  While we fight, argue and spit at one another about baiting, leases, bow vs. gun, trapping, hunting with dogs, hunting in enclosures, trophy vs. meat hunting, television celebrities, women, etc., the “other side” is ABSOLUTELY UNIFIED in their ONE MISSION…

…To STOP ALL HUNTING.
and if you’re NOT worried, you SHOULD be.
Thank you for posting this.
We have all seen the anti post in other mediums. We've seen the infighting here too.
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Re: Why Hunters and the Hunting Industry Should Worry
« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2014, 07:13:11 PM »
I hunt, but I don't bait I'd never do that we should outlaw it

I hunt, but I'd never archery hunt it wounds too many animals I'd support a ban on archery

I hunt, but I only shoot animals within 2-300 yards no one should shoot anything further than that

I hunt, but I only use primitive weapons anything modern isn't really hunting


Plenty of what this article refers to right here on HW
I haven't heard any one on here call for a ban on archery hunting, or a ban on shots over 300 yards.
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Re: Why Hunters and the Hunting Industry Should Worry
« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2014, 07:17:33 PM »
These concerns did not just start.  They have been going on for decades.
Welcome to liberal America, where the truth is condemned and facts are ignored so as not to "offend" anyone


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Re: Why Hunters and the Hunting Industry Should Worry
« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2014, 07:45:45 PM »
Bearpaw
Thanks for posting this. Allot of good information and possibly the most disturbing is the amount of money that can be raised quickly to achieve a goal. I couldn't help but think while I was reading that about the "Golden Rule" which is He who has all the gold makes all the rules.

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Re: Why Hunters and the Hunting Industry Should Worry
« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2014, 08:12:45 PM »
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Re: Why Hunters and the Hunting Industry Should Worry
« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2014, 08:21:24 PM »
I hunt, but I don't bait I'd never do that we should outlaw it

I hunt, but I'd never archery hunt it wounds too many animals I'd support a ban on archery

I hunt, but I only shoot animals within 2-300 yards no one should shoot anything further than that

I hunt, but I only use primitive weapons anything modern isn't really hunting


Plenty of what this article refers to right here on HW
I haven't heard any one on here call for a ban on archery hunting, or a ban on shots over 300 yards.

Maybe not calls for out right bans, but they are always debated and argued about.




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Re: Why Hunters and the Hunting Industry Should Worry
« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2014, 08:28:00 PM »
The article is flawed in some aspects.  Anti-hunters are no more organized or cohesive in their efforts than hunters are in stopping them or promoting all aspects of our sport. 

On the last point, I think it is important for hunters to become knowledgeable about aspects of hunting they are not familiar with before making comments out of ignorance.  However, I believe there are tons of issues that hunters need to self-police on...especially when it comes to technology, methods, and techniques.  If the primary justification for maintaining specific technology, methods, or techniques is "hunters shouldn't argue with other hunters"...BAN IT!!  :chuckle:

There are a lot of things to be concerned about when it comes to the future of hunting: Hollywood, Leonardo DiCaprio, and the organizational structure of anti-hunters are not what should keep hunters up at night...access and habitat issues...  :hello:

This post proves exactly what this thread is about!  :bash:

In fighting amongst all hunters that creates a divide which the lefties will surly take advantage of before its all said and done. :bdid:

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Re: Why Hunters and the Hunting Industry Should Worry
« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2014, 10:09:02 PM »
how about the constant rants on road hunters each year?
or rants on too many hunters in the field each year
If you've lived long enough you would of noticed a significant drop in hunters in the field each year.
1970's-80's both deer and elk you could not drive more than a mile or two without seeing a tent or two
now for me that is I'm lucky to see maybe 3-5 camps along the roads I do take each year.
Yes others have changed to bow or Muzzy but still weve lost numbers and numbers mean $ and voice.
My dad always groaned about how many people there were, but not me I always liked seeing the camps and deer and elk hanging was always fun.
I understand the I hunt to get away from people, but tremember those people hunt too and spend money and hae a voice too.
You drive them away they usually side against us so ya!
I've known people who quit going because of all the increases in price and or rules had them tell me point blank that was the last year for them and never seen them again either so...
Access always seem to divide us too, and can't quite figure it out.
far reaching Gov too and or GUn ctrl although different but those issues divided us too and it makes me  :puke:
I predict hunting and gun ownership of any use will be gone before 2100 which isn't really all that far off since it's already almost 2015 only 85 years off.
probably well before that too 2050 or less! :bash: >:(
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Re: Why Hunters and the Hunting Industry Should Worry
« Reply #13 on: December 16, 2014, 09:04:19 PM »
Sadly but very true Dale. Thanx for bringing it to our attention. . Bump..
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Re: Why Hunters and the Hunting Industry Should Worry
« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2014, 12:51:57 AM »
tag bump whatever for later.
"When my bow falls, so shall the world. When me heart ceases to pump blood to my body, it will all come crashing down. As a hunter, we are bound by duty, nay, bound by our very soul to this world. When a hunter dies we feel it, we sense it, and the world trembles with sorrow. When I die, so shall the world, from the shock of loosing such a great part of ones soul." Ezekiel, Okeanos Hunter

 


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